We got into a discussion of involvement of young people in contemporary art. How could we broaden the base of the MCA? And that's where the idea came for what we called the Young Men's Council, which was kind of funny, because we had to change it to Men's Council years later. But we got together about 20 of our friends over a couple-year period, and formed this group to support the MCA. Now—which is strange because none of us had any real involvement or interest in contemporary art. And I did it more as a civic venture.