I loved being president of the Women's Board; I thought it was a great honor. And then from there I got sort of recruited to go in the trustee—to become a trustee at the museum. And that was terrific—it has been; I'm still a trustee. It's been a terrific experience. And pretty soon after becoming a trustee I became chair of the board, so that was kind of surprising to me, and I wasn't sure: "hmm, this is going to be interesting." Because I felt a little bit new at the game of being a trustee, but I agreed to do it. This was when Bob Fitzpatrick was head of the museum. And anyway, I loved it. I loved being chair of the board. I learned a lot. I grew a lot.